C Span Washington Journal, Sunday June 13 2010 Steve Scully
Karim Sadjapour spewing absolute bullshit with unquestioning validation from Scully.
last segment: representative of pensions board. Many government pension funds defaulting. To pay pension obligations, municipalities will be forced to cut back on schools, libraries, etc.
caller: I'm a veteran. We are the generation that made this country great. We made it possible for Bill Gates to make a fortune. Then he goes to China, takes our jobs away. If I lose my pension, we will do what Uncle Sam trained us to do.
--> what would veterans think if they knew that 'Uncle Sam' spends more money on Israel than on PTSD treatment for returning vets?
Sunday, June 13, 2010
Monday, June 7, 2010
re Helen Thomas: Pavlov's Dog Didn't Bark June 7 2010
June 7 2010
Question of the morning on Wash Journ was, Should Helen Thomas be asked to resign from the White House press pool because of her response to an anonymous blogger's question about Jews in Israel.
C Span pivoted from a statement by Lani Davis that Thomas was an anti-Jewish bigot. In other words, C Span focused on whether Thomas could continue as an impartial reporter from the White House because she made a statement that was not supportive of Jews.
I think the question about Helen Thomas's capacity to report from the White House should be whether she is mindful of American interests, rather than Jewish or Israel's interests.
I further think that the Question and reaction of the blogger who asked the question is an essential part of the story. After Ms. Thomas made her first statement, that Jews should leave Palestine because they were occupying land stolen from Palestinians, the blogger said, "Whoa...." He did not anticipate that response. In other words, his was not a question to elicit an authentic opinion, it was the lab technician checking on whether Pavlov's dog was still trained. He rang the bell, Helen Thomas did not bark.
That non-bark, that failure of the 63 years of Jewish sensitivity training of the American people is the silence heard round the country.
C Span moderator was out of his depth as a journalist; his listeners and callers were far better informed than he is. For example, the Moderator tried several times to beat back the caller who stated that a member of AIPAC spies on the US. The caller said, "I read it in the Washington Post; don't you know about that?" He said, "It's Steve Weissman" [actually Keith Weissman]." Which is correct.
The Moderator terminated the call at that point.
The question is, can C Span be educated?
If not C Span, then WHO can guide the United States through an honest and vigorous discussion of the US relationship with Israel, with AIPAC, with Jews in the United States, with zionism?
To stifle that conversation is precisely the approach that will result in more, not less, harm to Jews in America. Most people will automatically point to Germany as an example of a situation where "antisemitism got out of hand and resulted in the Holocaust of 6 million Jews." That would be inaccurate. That response would be the Pavlovian response.
Hitler's first major piece of writing was an exploration of "principled antisemitism." Renan's was much the same. Why were the German people resentful of Jews? Both Renan and Hitler concluded that the old, religious issues, that "Jews killed Christ," were bogus. The complaints of the German people involved economic and financial issues, matters of Jewish dominance of German institutions and media. Hitler tried to defuse the anger of the people.
AISH, Rabbi Ken Spiro.... "Jews expect to be persecuted again."
US must do things differently. We must not allow the United States to be led by zionists down the same path that Germany was led by zionists. We must call to account Israel and the Jews in the US who have suborned the interests of the United STates in preference for the interests of Israel.
I suggest several action to take:
1. A truth and reconciliation commission.
2. Seize the assets of zionist billionaires who support activities that work against the interests of the US -- Schusterman, Adelson, Haim Saban,
3. Dismantle the US Treasury office of antiterrorism. US Treasury should be focusing on US economy, not attempting to destroy Iran's economy for the benefit of Israel.
4. Close the Holocaust Museum
5. Demand that lobbyists for Israel register as foreign agents.
6. Include Israel and Israel lobbyists in the Campaign reform rules of _____ .
7.
The question is,
Question of the morning on Wash Journ was, Should Helen Thomas be asked to resign from the White House press pool because of her response to an anonymous blogger's question about Jews in Israel.
C Span pivoted from a statement by Lani Davis that Thomas was an anti-Jewish bigot. In other words, C Span focused on whether Thomas could continue as an impartial reporter from the White House because she made a statement that was not supportive of Jews.
I think the question about Helen Thomas's capacity to report from the White House should be whether she is mindful of American interests, rather than Jewish or Israel's interests.
I further think that the Question and reaction of the blogger who asked the question is an essential part of the story. After Ms. Thomas made her first statement, that Jews should leave Palestine because they were occupying land stolen from Palestinians, the blogger said, "Whoa...." He did not anticipate that response. In other words, his was not a question to elicit an authentic opinion, it was the lab technician checking on whether Pavlov's dog was still trained. He rang the bell, Helen Thomas did not bark.
That non-bark, that failure of the 63 years of Jewish sensitivity training of the American people is the silence heard round the country.
C Span moderator was out of his depth as a journalist; his listeners and callers were far better informed than he is. For example, the Moderator tried several times to beat back the caller who stated that a member of AIPAC spies on the US. The caller said, "I read it in the Washington Post; don't you know about that?" He said, "It's Steve Weissman" [actually Keith Weissman]." Which is correct.
The Moderator terminated the call at that point.
The question is, can C Span be educated?
If not C Span, then WHO can guide the United States through an honest and vigorous discussion of the US relationship with Israel, with AIPAC, with Jews in the United States, with zionism?
To stifle that conversation is precisely the approach that will result in more, not less, harm to Jews in America. Most people will automatically point to Germany as an example of a situation where "antisemitism got out of hand and resulted in the Holocaust of 6 million Jews." That would be inaccurate. That response would be the Pavlovian response.
Hitler's first major piece of writing was an exploration of "principled antisemitism." Renan's was much the same. Why were the German people resentful of Jews? Both Renan and Hitler concluded that the old, religious issues, that "Jews killed Christ," were bogus. The complaints of the German people involved economic and financial issues, matters of Jewish dominance of German institutions and media. Hitler tried to defuse the anger of the people.
AISH, Rabbi Ken Spiro.... "Jews expect to be persecuted again."
US must do things differently. We must not allow the United States to be led by zionists down the same path that Germany was led by zionists. We must call to account Israel and the Jews in the US who have suborned the interests of the United STates in preference for the interests of Israel.
I suggest several action to take:
1. A truth and reconciliation commission.
2. Seize the assets of zionist billionaires who support activities that work against the interests of the US -- Schusterman, Adelson, Haim Saban,
3. Dismantle the US Treasury office of antiterrorism. US Treasury should be focusing on US economy, not attempting to destroy Iran's economy for the benefit of Israel.
4. Close the Holocaust Museum
5. Demand that lobbyists for Israel register as foreign agents.
6. Include Israel and Israel lobbyists in the Campaign reform rules of _____ .
7.
The question is,
Thursday, June 3, 2010
Cracks revealing feet of clay June 3 2010
Psychopathic god June 3, 2010 at 10:32 am
C Span Washington Journal is my ‘beat.’
I consider C Span the ‘Colin Powell’ of cable media: people trust C Span to be impartial.
And yesterday, the tipping point was approached: a caller said,
“oil, oil, oil; that’s all you talk about. It’s very important but the flotilla is extremely important too, why don’t you talk about the flotilla? You cut off callers who say things critical of Israel.”
So today C Span Moderator Susan Swain took the bull by the horns: You, dear listeners, tell us what is most important to you.
Then Swain read the headlines of a number of national newspapers. I lost count; most of them lead with oil spill stories.
C Span Washington Journal frequently explains to its listeners that it tries to be ‘balanced’ by reading NYT AND Washington Times; that is, it thinks its covering the spectrum of print media.
But C Span does not get the larger point: ALL of the media is either bought or cowed to presenting ONLY what certain interests permit to be presented, and only in the way that those interests prefer. Nobody wants to think about it, including trustworthy C Span.
I’m still having a hard time categorizing the calls — twenty of them came in; most mentioned the oil spill as being very important; several mentioned pressing issues like immigration; pressing economic issues including employment/unemployment, finance reform. A few off-the-wall calls occupy the tails of the curve. Perhaps four or five callers mentioned Israel/Gaza and the flotilla.
Two calls regarding Israel laid bare the divide; one of those calls represented a major tipping point in US dialog about Israel. That caller said he thought the most important issue the US has to confront is the media. He said that C Span represented the best that the media spectrum has to offer, but that C Span seemed to pull its punches when the topic was Israel. He asked this question twice, and squeezed a response from Ms. Swain: “When C Span producers have their directors’ meetings, do they say, ‘Don’t talk about Israel or Jews?’ Because that what it seems like.”
(Swain replied softly and rather embarrassed, “No, of course we don’t eliminate any topic from discussion.”)
The caller spoke further (and to her credit, Swain was generous with time and did not interrupt or censure): “Many times when people say things critical of Israel, they are accused of antisemitism. Some seem antisemitic. But it is possible to talk about Israel without being antisemitic, and it’s important.”
The caller’s remarks were in the same vein of thought as one of . Stephen Walt’s three question of Peter Beinart:
Some months ago, Michael Scheuer caused a mild stir when he said, on C Span Washington Journal, that Americans needed to, and deserved to, have a frank conversation about the US-Israel relationship. Scott Ritter has said the same thing on numerous occasions, including on C Span.
Starting at least three years ago, a network of some dozens of us low-life low-impact keyboard warriors have tried to raise the issue on numerous fora, perhaps with more passion than tact; we’ve been banned, censored, and vilified as vicious antisemites.
Who knows how many Palestinians, who knows how many Afghanis, who knows how many American soldiers, have died since Michael Scheuer and Scott Ritter stirred the waters.
Three days ago nine more people died– is it nine? we don’t know! Israel retains control of bodies, wounded, information, evidence, and the right to be its own judge and jury, by decree of Hillary Clinton, who is in thrall to Haim Saban who has stated that “he’s a one-issue guy and that issue is Israel,” and that he cares for the US so little that his businesses are incorporated in Cayman Islands so that he can avoid US taxes.
It’s time. NOW. Time for a vigorous all-American debate on the US-Israel relationship.
Pray that the conversation can remain a conversation and not a confrontation.
C Span Washington Journal is my ‘beat.’
I consider C Span the ‘Colin Powell’ of cable media: people trust C Span to be impartial.
And yesterday, the tipping point was approached: a caller said,
“oil, oil, oil; that’s all you talk about. It’s very important but the flotilla is extremely important too, why don’t you talk about the flotilla? You cut off callers who say things critical of Israel.”
So today C Span Moderator Susan Swain took the bull by the horns: You, dear listeners, tell us what is most important to you.
Then Swain read the headlines of a number of national newspapers. I lost count; most of them lead with oil spill stories.
C Span Washington Journal frequently explains to its listeners that it tries to be ‘balanced’ by reading NYT AND Washington Times; that is, it thinks its covering the spectrum of print media.
But C Span does not get the larger point: ALL of the media is either bought or cowed to presenting ONLY what certain interests permit to be presented, and only in the way that those interests prefer. Nobody wants to think about it, including trustworthy C Span.
I’m still having a hard time categorizing the calls — twenty of them came in; most mentioned the oil spill as being very important; several mentioned pressing issues like immigration; pressing economic issues including employment/unemployment, finance reform. A few off-the-wall calls occupy the tails of the curve. Perhaps four or five callers mentioned Israel/Gaza and the flotilla.
Two calls regarding Israel laid bare the divide; one of those calls represented a major tipping point in US dialog about Israel. That caller said he thought the most important issue the US has to confront is the media. He said that C Span represented the best that the media spectrum has to offer, but that C Span seemed to pull its punches when the topic was Israel. He asked this question twice, and squeezed a response from Ms. Swain: “When C Span producers have their directors’ meetings, do they say, ‘Don’t talk about Israel or Jews?’ Because that what it seems like.”
(Swain replied softly and rather embarrassed, “No, of course we don’t eliminate any topic from discussion.”)
The caller spoke further (and to her credit, Swain was generous with time and did not interrupt or censure): “Many times when people say things critical of Israel, they are accused of antisemitism. Some seem antisemitic. But it is possible to talk about Israel without being antisemitic, and it’s important.”
The caller’s remarks were in the same vein of thought as one of . Stephen Walt’s three question of Peter Beinart:
Second, Beinart’s essay is primarily directed at the American Jewish community, which is understandable. Yet I’m curious as to whether he thinks this is a topic that all Americans should engage with, or whether he thinks (as some do) that it is a topic on which non-Jews should remain largely silent. My own view is that the special relationship has a profound impact on American foreign policy and therefore it is a subject that all Americans should care about very much and be able to discuss openly — without being unfairly attacked — even if they a critical of Israel’s actions and America’s unconditional support for them. No group should enjoy a privileged position in that debate. I wonder if Beinart would agree.
Some months ago, Michael Scheuer caused a mild stir when he said, on C Span Washington Journal, that Americans needed to, and deserved to, have a frank conversation about the US-Israel relationship. Scott Ritter has said the same thing on numerous occasions, including on C Span.
Starting at least three years ago, a network of some dozens of us low-life low-impact keyboard warriors have tried to raise the issue on numerous fora, perhaps with more passion than tact; we’ve been banned, censored, and vilified as vicious antisemites.
Who knows how many Palestinians, who knows how many Afghanis, who knows how many American soldiers, have died since Michael Scheuer and Scott Ritter stirred the waters.
Three days ago nine more people died– is it nine? we don’t know! Israel retains control of bodies, wounded, information, evidence, and the right to be its own judge and jury, by decree of Hillary Clinton, who is in thrall to Haim Saban who has stated that “he’s a one-issue guy and that issue is Israel,” and that he cares for the US so little that his businesses are incorporated in Cayman Islands so that he can avoid US taxes.
It’s time. NOW. Time for a vigorous all-American debate on the US-Israel relationship.
Pray that the conversation can remain a conversation and not a confrontation.
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
Eric Cantor at Heritage Foundation, "Protect America" May 4 2010
Connecting the wrong dots.
10:00 - 10:45 am May 4 2010
Protect America month
Eric Cantor's opening statement sounded very much like Flynt Leverett.
Intense Iran bashing.
socialism: from the floor, statement/question about socialism and how socialism moves to totalitarianism.
find the Ephraim Sneh quote that Israel is deviating from its socialist intentions.
find a transcript of Cantor's speech, carefully review the Q AND A
Cantor invoked Sharansky. counter with Dimitri Simes on the Bolsheviks. show how zionism is bolshevism/trotskite.
re audience question re Shariia law, which questioner posed relative to Wall Street investing, Cantor answered by invoking Thomas Jefferson, freedom of religion,
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Dr Kim Holmes, VP Foreign Policy, Davis Institute at Heritage. Hates UN.
10:00 - 10:45 am May 4 2010
Protect America month
Eric Cantor's opening statement sounded very much like Flynt Leverett.
Intense Iran bashing.
socialism: from the floor, statement/question about socialism and how socialism moves to totalitarianism.
find the Ephraim Sneh quote that Israel is deviating from its socialist intentions.
find a transcript of Cantor's speech, carefully review the Q AND A
Cantor invoked Sharansky. counter with Dimitri Simes on the Bolsheviks. show how zionism is bolshevism/trotskite.
re audience question re Shariia law, which questioner posed relative to Wall Street investing, Cantor answered by invoking Thomas Jefferson, freedom of religion,
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Dr Kim Holmes, VP Foreign Policy, Davis Institute at Heritage. Hates UN.
Michael Greenberger, May 4 2010, Teabaggers & Teaboxes; Ants Spiders Bees; Joseph interpreting Dreams
Michael Greenberger, May 4 2010, Teabaggers & Teaboxes; Ants Spiders Bees; Joseph interpreting Dreams
in re Jerry Z Muller, Capitalism and the Jews; Niall Ferguson, Rothschilds;
In the 8:45 am slot, Greenberger explained how derivative/insurance worked in the finance meltdown: firms like Goldman in effect bought insurance on someone else's house, in the hope/bet that the house would burn down and that Goldman would collect the insurance proceeds on an asset they did not own.
The insurance policy in turn was securitized and sold.
caller: 8:56 Booksley Born was driven out of government, in 1997 and 1999 Greenberger and Born worked together and tried to create regulation for the kind of instruments that brought down Greece.
Robert Rubin & Larry Summers and Greenspan were not sympathetic to Born and Greenberger & Born's viewpoint.
Sheila Baer at 8:58 Greenberger mentions the people in decision making roles who are inching toward
PBS Frontline, "The Warning." early 1998 Born & Greenberger saw the lack of transparency, the fact that no capital to back up the bets.
Economics of Destruction an anonymously written article in WSJ.
Larry Summers called Brooksley Born in 1998 re
see book, 13 Bankers
Rubin, Summers, Greenspan, Levitt one by one took Born to task and asked Born not to pursue her agenda. She
see 9:03 am
contrast Greenberger's comments with yesterday's Wolfowitz appearance on C Span.
caller: Rutland VT:
Greenberger: problem with the ratings agencies: situation is the student pays the student for the grades.
Lawrence from Stern School, NYU, forget about the agencies; burden to explain to the investing public why investments are sound, not just a grade....
"the casinos didn't have the capital to pay off their debt, the banks blew a giant hole in the market, taxpayers ended up bailing out the gamblers."
The casino atmosphere does not capitalize
go back to old fashioned american ingenuity that makes things, not slips of paper that represent bets...
THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF JEWISH CAPITALISM: BETTING ON EMPTY BOXES.
caller: "ALL of the bankers were doing it, not... 9:10
Greenberger: most people are made to think the problem is the mortgagees who can't pay their loan but that's not the greatest problem, it's the BETTING on the loans that caused the problem.
...credit card scores another gaming system....
the gambling that characterizes subprime can also affect commercial loans, etc
keep your eye on what is going on in Southern Europe; it's rippling: it started w Greece buying a package from Goldman in order to get into WTO. keep your eye on the euro.... (at 9:13 - 9:14)
caller: the people making money on these scams knew exactly what was going on; it's not that complicated. EXACTLY: it is deliberately complexified, a shell game with moves to confuse the sucker.
Greenberger: taxpayers paid AIG 100% so that AIG could pay off its bets.
Credit rating agencies will not go away. "There is a market for people who can provide intelligent, sophisticated common sense assessment of investments."
in re Jerry Z Muller, Capitalism and the Jews; Niall Ferguson, Rothschilds;
In the 8:45 am slot, Greenberger explained how derivative/insurance worked in the finance meltdown: firms like Goldman in effect bought insurance on someone else's house, in the hope/bet that the house would burn down and that Goldman would collect the insurance proceeds on an asset they did not own.
The insurance policy in turn was securitized and sold.
caller: 8:56 Booksley Born was driven out of government, in 1997 and 1999 Greenberger and Born worked together and tried to create regulation for the kind of instruments that brought down Greece.
Robert Rubin & Larry Summers and Greenspan were not sympathetic to Born and Greenberger & Born's viewpoint.
Sheila Baer at 8:58 Greenberger mentions the people in decision making roles who are inching toward
PBS Frontline, "The Warning." early 1998 Born & Greenberger saw the lack of transparency, the fact that no capital to back up the bets.
Economics of Destruction an anonymously written article in WSJ.
Larry Summers called Brooksley Born in 1998 re
see book, 13 Bankers
Rubin, Summers, Greenspan, Levitt one by one took Born to task and asked Born not to pursue her agenda. She
see 9:03 am
contrast Greenberger's comments with yesterday's Wolfowitz appearance on C Span.
caller: Rutland VT:
Greenberger: problem with the ratings agencies: situation is the student pays the student for the grades.
Lawrence from Stern School, NYU, forget about the agencies; burden to explain to the investing public why investments are sound, not just a grade....
"the casinos didn't have the capital to pay off their debt, the banks blew a giant hole in the market, taxpayers ended up bailing out the gamblers."
The casino atmosphere does not capitalize
go back to old fashioned american ingenuity that makes things, not slips of paper that represent bets...
THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF JEWISH CAPITALISM: BETTING ON EMPTY BOXES.
caller: "ALL of the bankers were doing it, not... 9:10
Greenberger: most people are made to think the problem is the mortgagees who can't pay their loan but that's not the greatest problem, it's the BETTING on the loans that caused the problem.
...credit card scores another gaming system....
the gambling that characterizes subprime can also affect commercial loans, etc
keep your eye on what is going on in Southern Europe; it's rippling: it started w Greece buying a package from Goldman in order to get into WTO. keep your eye on the euro.... (at 9:13 - 9:14)
caller: the people making money on these scams knew exactly what was going on; it's not that complicated. EXACTLY: it is deliberately complexified, a shell game with moves to confuse the sucker.
Greenberger: taxpayers paid AIG 100% so that AIG could pay off its bets.
Credit rating agencies will not go away. "There is a market for people who can provide intelligent, sophisticated common sense assessment of investments."
Monday, May 3, 2010
C Span May 3 2010 Paul Wolfowitz, Rusty Barber (in his last weeks w US Institute of Peace
guest is Bill Richardson. Moderator is _____
Richardson is gov of New Mexico, he discusses New Mexico economy, 'illegal' immigrants. A caller says, "it's a national security issue to close the because Middle Easterners can come into the country."
Moderator sets up negative cloud around Iran: "Former UN ambassador John Bolton says US must stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. What do you think, as a former UN ambassador?"
Richardson says Obama admin is "doing the right thing; must sanction Iran; must not allow Iran to get nuclear weapons. Different and better than Bush policy in that US is trying to get other nations to join in sanctioning Iran."
8:35 am: Paul Wolfowitz is guest.
question 1, Greece:
at about 8:56 am a caller spoke very strongly about Wolfowitz's role in Iraq. What was fascinating about W's reaction/response: he was absolutely stoney through the caller's entire speech; I watched his face closely, he did not allow a single muscle to twitch, his eyes did not move, he was in another place entirely; I suspect he turned off his hearing. When the caller stopped speaking, Wolf became animated again, he began and continued a discussion totally unrelated to anything the caller said -- something about banks and IMF, etc. He talked at length, uninterrupted. When he stopped, the Moderator said somewhat sheepishly, "Do you wish to comment on anything the caller addressed?" I forget W's response; it was noncommittal. I think he may have said, "Everybody voted for it...."
Later, a caller from Montana stated with some passion that W was responsible for the deaths of his Montana friends who died in Iraq. Caller said W should not be on tv he should be in jail. W did defend a bit. He once again used the "we relied on intelligence; intelligence was flawed; everybody did it...."
Third caller re W role in Iraq said we all know of your role. She said, no relation between 9/11 and Iraq. She was quite agitated and not very effective. W rolled out the standard defense: "Kerry voted for war; Hillary thought Saddam was dangerous," etc.
next guest, Rusty Barber of US Institute of Peace, to talk about Iraq. at 9:28 a caller mentioned the looting of Iraq's treasures. Then he said that C Span should disinfect the seat Wolfowitz sat in. He said Wolfowitz should have been arrested. Caller said the person who planted a bomb in an SUV in New York will be hunted to the ends of the earth, but Wolfowitz was permitted to walk out the side door; he is a war criminal.
The moderator responded lamely: "We invite all voices."
I say, NOT SO. Not if it's a voice critical of Israel or of Jews.
The guest addressed the fact that Iraq's treasures were looted; did mention that some sites are still being looted; said very vaguely that 'legal...should do something about it...."
Moderator mentioned that Wolfowitz said Iraq has second-greatest amount of oil; guest said "enormous amount of work to do to get oil out." Will take agreements between Iraq and Kurds to develop oil in Kurdish area in North of Iraq.
BP is in a project with the Chinese to develop oil fields in southern Iraq.
Caller: Documentary, "No End in Sight." A friend was in Iraq; WE KNOW that Wolfie, Feith, Chalabi cooked the intelligence. Iraqis hate us....
Why do we not count the dead in Iraq?
Twitter: How many civilians were killed in Iraq since US invasion?
Guest: "I don't know. Numbers are not known. ... Trauma that's left over from that is seldom discussed. Our Iraqi staff is very concerned
Most Iraqis think US occupation was terrible for Iraq; US went in without a plan, Iraqis are paying the price for that failure of planning. Uniformly Iraqis feel invasion was a mistake and US needs to withdraw.
Caller: re contractors.
Guest: contractors cannot move as freely around Iraq. Blackwater left a very bad taste; I travelled once with Blackwater, they moved very fast and with a feeling of impunity.
Caller: What is role of Chalabi in current government? I recall he said he would help us in the initial invasion.
Guest: Chalabi was US ally at beginning. Man with 9 lives. He was a contestant in last election. He's head of election accountability commission. He's very controversial; US feels it was badly burned by Chalabi assertions of WMD in Iraq. He holds not insignificant amount of support among Shi ia, in Sadr City.
Mod: Americans expressed concern about wrangling over election.
Caller: US spends more money on defense than any other country. Does US Institute Peace do anything to reduce spending?
Guest: Institute for Peace to try to reduce tensions to resolve conflict.
Caller: On Wolfowitz: W said we would pay for war with Iraqi war revenues. Last night I watched book program on Taliban; we invaded Iraq, left Taliban alone. Totally outrageous to have Wolfie on; he's nothing but a war criminal.
Guest: I think it was fine to have Wolfie on, good to have diverse set of views. We've committed billions and billions of reconstruction money. No question it's hard to fight two wars at the same time. We are drawing down... In terms of paying, no question it was premature.... Iraq owes $20billion to Kuwait in war reparations. International community must get resolution of that. not likely Iraq oil will pay for US expenditure any time soon.
Caller: Will there be a commission to debate why we went into Iraq, like the Chilcoate Commission in England. It's not in my purview to have an opinion on that.
Caller, Hollywood, FL (my guess = zionist) Clinton bombed Iraq; Hillary responded to 'Ladies in Pink' that Iraq had WMD. So if Iraq is investigated, Clintons should be investigated also.
Mod: Is Saddam still a presence in Iraq?
Guest: Yes. There's a 'Saddam' channel from _____. He will always loom over Iraq as a source of great tragedy for Iraq.
Caller: Does US compensate Iraqis for losses, and how is it paid for. Decided on a case by case basis. Range in thousands of dollars. Comes out of military budget.
Caller: I have a friend at University of Kabul. Have you heard anything about people coming down with anthrax in Kabul.
Guest: No.
back to discussion of the vote, resolving the dispute over who takes power, nominate a president, speaker of Parlaiment. Traditionally roles divided along sectarian lines. That system has assured a degree of balance among factions but has now institutionalized the divisions.
Caller: 1998 AIPAC pushed us into war with Iraq. (Jim Morris friend)
Mod: Role of Iran in Iraq, terrorist explosions, is that still happening in Iraq?
Guest: Iraqis
iranian role regarded with a degree of trepidation and suspicion. lot of political parties shuffeling to tehran looking for their support and assistance. in therms of actual weapons my sense is they are still present but not so much. 2007 2008 perception.... present but not active.
Caller: Saddam has been demonized; did he do anything good for Iraq.
Guest: Iraqis say thru authoritarian measures and propaganda, he
except for horrendous war with Iran
saw so much instability when he was toppled. so he's perceived as having kept Iraq stable, keep power on, US opened pandora's box of sectarian conflict.
Richardson is gov of New Mexico, he discusses New Mexico economy, 'illegal' immigrants. A caller says, "it's a national security issue to close the because Middle Easterners can come into the country."
Moderator sets up negative cloud around Iran: "Former UN ambassador John Bolton says US must stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. What do you think, as a former UN ambassador?"
Richardson says Obama admin is "doing the right thing; must sanction Iran; must not allow Iran to get nuclear weapons. Different and better than Bush policy in that US is trying to get other nations to join in sanctioning Iran."
8:35 am: Paul Wolfowitz is guest.
question 1, Greece:
at about 8:56 am a caller spoke very strongly about Wolfowitz's role in Iraq. What was fascinating about W's reaction/response: he was absolutely stoney through the caller's entire speech; I watched his face closely, he did not allow a single muscle to twitch, his eyes did not move, he was in another place entirely; I suspect he turned off his hearing. When the caller stopped speaking, Wolf became animated again, he began and continued a discussion totally unrelated to anything the caller said -- something about banks and IMF, etc. He talked at length, uninterrupted. When he stopped, the Moderator said somewhat sheepishly, "Do you wish to comment on anything the caller addressed?" I forget W's response; it was noncommittal. I think he may have said, "Everybody voted for it...."
Later, a caller from Montana stated with some passion that W was responsible for the deaths of his Montana friends who died in Iraq. Caller said W should not be on tv he should be in jail. W did defend a bit. He once again used the "we relied on intelligence; intelligence was flawed; everybody did it...."
Third caller re W role in Iraq said we all know of your role. She said, no relation between 9/11 and Iraq. She was quite agitated and not very effective. W rolled out the standard defense: "Kerry voted for war; Hillary thought Saddam was dangerous," etc.
next guest, Rusty Barber of US Institute of Peace, to talk about Iraq. at 9:28 a caller mentioned the looting of Iraq's treasures. Then he said that C Span should disinfect the seat Wolfowitz sat in. He said Wolfowitz should have been arrested. Caller said the person who planted a bomb in an SUV in New York will be hunted to the ends of the earth, but Wolfowitz was permitted to walk out the side door; he is a war criminal.
The moderator responded lamely: "We invite all voices."
I say, NOT SO. Not if it's a voice critical of Israel or of Jews.
The guest addressed the fact that Iraq's treasures were looted; did mention that some sites are still being looted; said very vaguely that 'legal...should do something about it...."
Moderator mentioned that Wolfowitz said Iraq has second-greatest amount of oil; guest said "enormous amount of work to do to get oil out." Will take agreements between Iraq and Kurds to develop oil in Kurdish area in North of Iraq.
BP is in a project with the Chinese to develop oil fields in southern Iraq.
Caller: Documentary, "No End in Sight." A friend was in Iraq; WE KNOW that Wolfie, Feith, Chalabi cooked the intelligence. Iraqis hate us....
Why do we not count the dead in Iraq?
Twitter: How many civilians were killed in Iraq since US invasion?
Guest: "I don't know. Numbers are not known. ... Trauma that's left over from that is seldom discussed. Our Iraqi staff is very concerned
Most Iraqis think US occupation was terrible for Iraq; US went in without a plan, Iraqis are paying the price for that failure of planning. Uniformly Iraqis feel invasion was a mistake and US needs to withdraw.
Caller: re contractors.
Guest: contractors cannot move as freely around Iraq. Blackwater left a very bad taste; I travelled once with Blackwater, they moved very fast and with a feeling of impunity.
Caller: What is role of Chalabi in current government? I recall he said he would help us in the initial invasion.
Guest: Chalabi was US ally at beginning. Man with 9 lives. He was a contestant in last election. He's head of election accountability commission. He's very controversial; US feels it was badly burned by Chalabi assertions of WMD in Iraq. He holds not insignificant amount of support among Shi ia, in Sadr City.
Mod: Americans expressed concern about wrangling over election.
Caller: US spends more money on defense than any other country. Does US Institute Peace do anything to reduce spending?
Guest: Institute for Peace to try to reduce tensions to resolve conflict.
Caller: On Wolfowitz: W said we would pay for war with Iraqi war revenues. Last night I watched book program on Taliban; we invaded Iraq, left Taliban alone. Totally outrageous to have Wolfie on; he's nothing but a war criminal.
Guest: I think it was fine to have Wolfie on, good to have diverse set of views. We've committed billions and billions of reconstruction money. No question it's hard to fight two wars at the same time. We are drawing down... In terms of paying, no question it was premature.... Iraq owes $20billion to Kuwait in war reparations. International community must get resolution of that. not likely Iraq oil will pay for US expenditure any time soon.
Caller: Will there be a commission to debate why we went into Iraq, like the Chilcoate Commission in England. It's not in my purview to have an opinion on that.
Caller, Hollywood, FL (my guess = zionist) Clinton bombed Iraq; Hillary responded to 'Ladies in Pink' that Iraq had WMD. So if Iraq is investigated, Clintons should be investigated also.
Mod: Is Saddam still a presence in Iraq?
Guest: Yes. There's a 'Saddam' channel from _____. He will always loom over Iraq as a source of great tragedy for Iraq.
Caller: Does US compensate Iraqis for losses, and how is it paid for. Decided on a case by case basis. Range in thousands of dollars. Comes out of military budget.
Caller: I have a friend at University of Kabul. Have you heard anything about people coming down with anthrax in Kabul.
Guest: No.
back to discussion of the vote, resolving the dispute over who takes power, nominate a president, speaker of Parlaiment. Traditionally roles divided along sectarian lines. That system has assured a degree of balance among factions but has now institutionalized the divisions.
Caller: 1998 AIPAC pushed us into war with Iraq. (Jim Morris friend)
Mod: Role of Iran in Iraq, terrorist explosions, is that still happening in Iraq?
Guest: Iraqis
iranian role regarded with a degree of trepidation and suspicion. lot of political parties shuffeling to tehran looking for their support and assistance. in therms of actual weapons my sense is they are still present but not so much. 2007 2008 perception.... present but not active.
Caller: Saddam has been demonized; did he do anything good for Iraq.
Guest: Iraqis say thru authoritarian measures and propaganda, he
except for horrendous war with Iran
saw so much instability when he was toppled. so he's perceived as having kept Iraq stable, keep power on, US opened pandora's box of sectarian conflict.
Saturday, March 7, 2009
Shooting and Crying, Shitting and Defiling
Ursula Lindsey
March 2009
(Ursula Lindsey is an M.A. candidate in Near Eastern studies at New York University. She writes on Middle Eastern arts and culture on the blog www.arabist.net.)
Waltz with Bashir (2008) opens with a strange and powerful image: a pack of ferocious dogs running headlong through the streets of Tel Aviv, overturning tables and terrifying pedestrians, converging beneath a building’s window to growl at a man standing there. It turns out that this man, Boaz, is an old friend of Ari Folman, the film’s director and protagonist. Like Folman, he was a teenager in the Israeli army during its 1982 invasion of Lebanon. And the pack of menacing dogs is his recurring nightmare, a nightly vision he links to the many village guard dogs he shot -- so they wouldn’t raise the alarm -- as his platoon made its way through southern Lebanon.
The pack of growling dogs -- animal Furies -- is a striking embodiment of the violence of repressed memories, the fear and anger involved in confronting a shameful past. The rest of the film tries to answer the question posed by this opening nightmare -- what memories is this former soldier, and by extension Israeli society, pursued by? What is he guilty of?
In the film, Ari and Boaz, middle-aged men now, ponder this question over drinks, seemingly nonplussed. Ari finds that, while he can’t remember most of his service in Lebanon, he is also haunted by a vision: of himself and two friends, emerging naked from the Beirut sea, their skinny teenaged bodies bathed in the golden glow of night flares. He can’t tell if this vision is a memory or a dream. He can’t tell what it means. And he can’t remember where he was, or what he was doing, during the Sabra and Shatila massacre, the killings of Palestinian refugees (and other poor people living in the camps) that marked the tragic nadir of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, and came to symbolize it thereafter for the Arab world. He embarks on a journey to interview old comrades and reconstruct the past.
Ari’s inability to remember is clearly not to be taken at face value: It’s a convenient framing device and a reference to the conscious or unconscious obfuscation of the past. It allows the film to move gradually toward the “discovery” of what happened in Sabra and Shatila, and of what role the protagonist played.
Israeli invaded Lebanon on June 6, 1982. The immediate trigger was an attempted assassination of an Israeli ambassador in London by members of a Palestinian militant group. But Israel had been itching to rid Lebanon of the Palestinian resistance movements that had established bases there. Israel was already fighting the Palestine Liberation Organization in southern Lebanon, and was supporting the Christian Lebanese Forces militia in the bloody civil war that had broken out between them and the PLO and its supporters.
The Israeli invasion initially targeted only southern Lebanon, but Israeli forces pushed on northward until they reached the capital of Beirut. By September 1, Palestinian fighters had been evacuated from Beirut as part of a ceasefire agreement. On September 14, the newly elected president, Bashir Gemayel, was assassinated, infuriating his supporters among the Phalange, the political party of which the Lebanese Forces is the military wing. On September 15, 1982, Israeli forces, contravening the truce agreement, occupied West Beirut and surrounded the Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF), under the command of then Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon, allowed Lebanese Forces militiamen -- the Israelis’ allies in Lebanon, and the Palestinians’ opponents in the civil war -- to enter the camps, supposedly to “mop up” the last remaining “terrorists.” While Israeli forces maintained their positions around the camps and on surrounding rooftops, the Phalangists proceeded to shoot camp residents dead -- including women and children. Despite reports of what was happening trickling out, for 48 hours nothing was done to stop the massacre, which involved the killing of at least 1,000 people in the camps.[1] (Both the official IDF estimate of 700-800 and the 3,500 long cited by journalists and others have been discredited.) There will never be an exact accounting of the carnage, because in addition to the roughly 1,000 people who were interred in mass graves by the Red Cross or in cemeteries by family members, an unknown number were buried by their Phalangist murderers.[2] The total death toll, however, is probably considerably more than 2,000, for after Israeli officers on loudspeakers ordered the shooting stopped in Sabra and Shatila, the Phalangists herded surviving men, women and children out of the camps and handed them over to the IDF. The Israelis transported them to a sports stadium, where, according to numerous survivors, the women and children were separated from the men, most of whom “disappeared,” never to be seen again.[3] Phalangist militiamen were present at the stadium, and eyewitnesses saw many Palestinians taken away by them after being handed back over by the IDF. It is possible, therefore, that more people were killed on September 17-18, after even journalists on the scene thought the massacre was over, than during the sanguinary initial 48 hours.
The Israeli government initially denied any role whatsoever in the massacre, but under intense international and domestic pressure it set up an investigating committee, the Kahan Commission, which found that Israeli forces were “indirectly responsible” for the massacre and that Ariel Sharon was “personally responsible” and should resign. The Kahan Commission report contains an oblique, one-line reference to hundreds of camp residents having vanished, but no hint of the direct Israeli role reported by survivors.
Almost none of this context is present in the film, though some of the events are. It is barely clear why Israeli forces are in Lebanon in the first place. The young Israeli soldiers in the film, starting with the slouching, scowling hero -- Folman at 19 -- range from the disinterested to the confused to the naive. They’re young men with no ideological convictions or animosities, thrust into traumatic surroundings. This, of course, may not be too far from the truth: Nineteen-year old soldiers, generally, may well be little more than blithe kids with machine guns, going to war with their girlfriends on their minds and no sense of what lies ahead. By not giving any background on the war, Folman may wish to thrust his viewers into the conflict as unprepared as he was. But it’s hard to believe that there were no discussions, no opinions, in the Israeli army. And it wouldn’t have taken much to get across a bare-bones account of how the war started.
Palestinians and Lebanese, meanwhile, are almost entirely absent from the film. There are distant, silent, undifferentiated images of them. They’re fighters, snipers, dead bodies, targets as seen from Israeli planes. They’re a child in the shadows of an orchard, holding a rocket grenade launcher. Again, this may be true to the experience of war, to the way in which the enemy remains physically and psychologically at a great remove. Folman has said that it wasn’t his place to depict the Palestinian point of view, telling an interviewer: “Who am I to tell their stories? They have to tell their own stories.”[4] This attitude seems a little glib, considering that film production isn’t exactly booming in the Occupied Territories.
One-sidedness and self-absorption may be inevitable in any nation’s reckoning with its military history. And the glamorization of the fighting may be inevitable too -- Francois Truffaut once famously remarked that it’s impossible to make an anti-war film because any film about a war can’t help visually celebrating it. In scenes that are very reminiscent of American films about the Vietnam war, montages of casual violence are set to thumping rock and roll music. The film’s general “anti-war” message is partly undercut by this thrilling presentation of military might and youthful recklessness.
Yet the fact remains that these scenes are visually and aurally thrilling, and the soundtrack is just one strong point of Waltz with Bashir. It’s a clever, original, mesmerizing film. It imaginatively melds a variety of genres: autobiography, documentary, animation. Folman uses the rotoscope technique pioneered by Richard Linklater in his films A Waking Life and Through a Scanner Darkly -- in which scenes are first filmed with real actors and then overlaid with drawings, preserving the realistic features and movements of the actors. The animation allows the story to move between different times and different realities; between the characters’ inner and outer lives; between vision, dreams, flights of fancy and reconstructions of the war. There are many evocative and extremely memorable images, which will stay with viewers’ long afterwards.
But reviewers around the world have come together in applauding Waltz with Bashir not just for its aesthetic value but also for its supposed moral courage. Jason Harsin writes in Bright Lights Film Journal, “Paradoxically, as horrific as those events were and are, there's something magnanimous about Folman’s determination to investigate them -- and his role in them -- from a dream ‘suggestion’ and a friend’s question.”[5] In the New York Times, A. O. Scott writes, “Waltz with Bashir is a memoir, a history lesson, a combat picture, a piece of investigative journalism and an altogether amazing film.” He calls it a work of “astonishing aesthetic integrity and searing moral power.”[6] A reviewer in Israel’s highbrow liberal daily, Ha’aretz, goes further: “If I had to choose one Israeli film that represents Israeli cinema…this is the film I would choose.”[7]
Waltz with Bashir is best appreciated as a rumination on the personal experience of war, on the way images and memories are erased or created in the mind. As such, it arguably shouldn’t be burdened with too much political deconstruction -- it’s art, and art is under no obligation to take clear-cut positions. Yet the film also aspires to be a documentary work, an intervention in the historical account of the 1982 Lebanon war. It has reaped the benefits -- critical and commercial -- of being a morally and intellectually “serious” work, one that takes a war and a civilian massacre as its subject.
The film won a slew of Israeli film awards and a Golden Globe for Best Foreign Film; it was nominated for Best Foreign Film at the Oscars. Most recently, Folman took home the top film industry honor in France, the Cesar, again for Best Foreign Film. And although the film is banned in Lebanon (which has never signed a peace agreement with Israel), a small screening in Beirut by Umam (the Lebanese Association for Cultural and Artistic Exchange) was widely covered in the press. “The subject of this film is a crucial moment in the history of Lebanon, for the history of Israel, for the history of the Palestinians and for the history of Palestinian life in Lebanon,” Umam founder Monika Borgmann told Ha’aretz.[8]
The film deplores war and wishes to register its horror at the Sabra and Shatila massacres. The final scene, in which we are suddenly confronted with documentary footage of piles of dead bodies and of survivors screaming and cursing in front of TV cameras, is wrenching. Yet we almost all deplore war, and wars and other atrocities happen nonetheless.
The fundamental question in Waltz with Bashir is that of collective and individual responsibility. And to this question the film never gives a satisfying answer. Ariel Sharon’s role is touched upon, but the film ultimately indicts the IDF less forcefully than the Kahan Commission did 25 years ago. One character may compare the Palestinians emerging from Sabra and Shatila to Jews coming out of the Warsaw Ghetto, and state: “We were the Nazis.” That is not the film’s final message. Ari sums the situation up by saying (in the face of troubling evidence): “The penny never dropped. We never realized they were carrying out a genocide.” (Folman has also maintained in interviews that he and his fellow soldiers “had no clue what was going on: We didn’t know there was a massacre.”[9]) “They” are the Phalangists, whose brutality is depicted, justly, as horrifying, but also as a counterpoint to the ethically anguished position of the Israeli onlookers. Yet as the title of the film should clearly suggest, the Israelis were the Phalangists’ willing partners in this deadly pas de deux. Arguably, they led the dance.
In Waltz with Bashir, the challenge posed by the fierce opening scene is left unanswered. The unvoiced accusation of the growling dogs is paralleled, at the end, by the collective scream of Palestinian women who emerge from the camps. But as Naira Antoun has pointed out in one of the few critical reviews of the film, published by the Electronic Intifada website,[10] the non-Israeli victims are never given a voice: They snarl and they wail, but they do not speak. Israelis are the only subjects: They interrogate themselves, confront themselves and ultimately congratulate themselves for their moral courage in doing so. Folman is the child of Holocaust survivors and his psychiatrist friend tells him that his concern with Sabra and Shatila is really about “those other camps.” Marked by the victimization of his parents, he must confront the possibility that he has been a victimizer in his turn. But this is an entirely inward, therapeutic journey -- what he never confronts are the victims themselves. The film is, in Antoun’s worlds, “a story of Israeli self-discovery and redemption,” and “an act not of limited self-reflection but self-justification.” Or, as Tom Segev puts it, less gently, in Ha’aretz, “The film Waltz with Bashir belongs to the kvetch genre: ‘Oy, how traumatic that massacre in Sabra and Chatila was for us.’”[11]
When asked in an interview whether his film belongs to the “shooting and crying” genre, Folman insisted, “When you watch this film, you have no doubt who the victims are.” It’s “impossible,” he continued, to sympathize with the Israeli soldiers. I beg to differ, as I think would most viewers of the film -- one is most definitely led to sympathize with the soldiers, young men who when stranded think of their mothers, who are appalled by wounded horses, who are never shown engaging in any sort of up-close brutality.
There is a final irony. Waltz with Bashir holds a redemptive message, celebrating the necessity and the ability to confront one’s past. Yet the film and its reception exemplify the strictly enforced boundaries of any debate on Israel’s past and present transgressions.
That many are made nervous by the idea of even discussing this chapter in Israel’s military past is made evident by the website of the Foundation for Jewish Culture, which partly funded the film. The Foundation has made available a detailed “Viewer’s Guide,” with frequently asked questions, links to articles on the issue and suggestions for how to lead discussions of the film after screenings. Among the advice offered is: “The film is neither for nor against Israel. It portrays Israelis in neither a good nor a bad light. The film demands an acknowledgment that life in modern Israel is far, far more complicated than ‘good or bad.’ There may be a temptation to treat the film as a commentary on current events in Gaza. We urge Jewish organizations not be sidetracked into a political battle that would strip art of its multi-valency. Rather, we hope to address the film in all its complexity and take the opportunity it offers to share the mixed emotions and ideas it sets flying.”[12]
This desire to avoid moral judgments and to emphasize the film’s universal, humanistic message is paralleled by the director’s own remarks. Upon winning the Golden Globe in January, as Israel was bombing Gaza’s captive civilian population, his only comment was: “My film is anti-war, and therefore, sadly, will always be relevant.” In an interview with the International Herald Tribune, Folman also said that his film “doesn’t deal with the other side, or what we do or not do to them. The basic statement is: War is useless. But there’s nothing you haven’t seen before or that we didn’t know: Sharon lost his job because of the massacres at Sabra and Shatila.”[13] As a matter of fact, Sharon was forced, after much resistance, to become a minister without portfolio, and as we all know his role in the massacre didn’t impede his eventual rise in Israeli politics.
But it’s not just that the outrage over Sabra and Shatila never led the Israeli military political establishment to reexamine its most bellicose proclivities. It’s startling to see how careful almost every reviewer of Waltz with Bashir has been to avoid linking the film with the massive Israeli bombing of Gaza in the winter of 2008-2009, which killed well upwards of 1,300 people, mostly civilians. There is, as Antoun says, something “perverse” in this disconnect.
The film is applauded for its courage in confronting a complicity that has long been part of the historical record. This confrontation ends up leading to redemption much more than to condemnation. And hardly anyone suggests that Israel’s current military operations should also be bravely examined. I suppose that we will have to wait for another award-winning film, a quarter-century from now, to do that.
[1] The researcher Mahmoud Kallam, a son of the camps, puts the number at just over 1,000. Of these, Kallam says, just over half were Palestinians; the remainder were Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians and others living in the camps, as do many working poor of non-Palestinian nationality today. Mahmoud Kallam, Sabra wa Shatila, dhakirat al-damm (Beirut: Beisan Press, 2003).
[2] For details, see the legal document prepared for the ill-fated war crimes case against ex-Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in Belgian courts: http://www.indictsharon.net/cmptENft.pdf. For more on that case, see Laurie King-Irani, “Does International Justice Have a Local Address? Lessons from the Belgian Experiment,” Middle East Report 229 (Winter 2003).
[3] See Julie Flint, “Vanished Victims of Israelis Return to Accuse Sharon,” Observer, November 25, 2001; and Robert Fisk, “Sabra and Shatila Massacres: After 19 Years, the Truth at Last?” Counterpunch, November 28, 2001.
[4] Jonathan Freedland, “Lest We Forget,” Guardian, October 25, 2008.
[5] Jason Harsin, “The Responsible Dream,” Bright Lights Film Journal 63 (February 2009).
[6] A. O. Scott, “Inside a Veteran’s Nightmare,” New York Times, December 26, 2008.
[7] Quoted in Hamida Ghafour, “In Search of a Brutal Truth,” The National (Abu Dhabi), January 24, 2009.
[8] Ha’aretz, January 21, 2009.
[9] Freedland, op cit.
[10] Naira Antoun, “Film Review: Waltz with Bashir,” Electronic Intifada, February 19, 2009. http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10322.shtml
[11] Tom Segev, “Waltz with History,” Ha’aretz, February 5, 2009.
[12] The Viewer’s Guide is accessible online at http://www.jewishculture.org/attachments/waltz/waltz_guide_packet.pdf.
[13] Deborah Solomon, “The Peacemaker,” New York Times Magazine, January 6, 2009.
Israel Still Shoots and Still Cries
There is a phrase in Hebrew, coined by the socialist-labor party leadership (Mapai) of the state if Israel, that basically describes the point of this film, 'shooting and crying;'
Shoot and cry: Liberal Zionism's dilemma
Soft-pedaling Israeli colonialism is nothing new -- as Israeli historian Ilan Pappe has noted, in 1948 a number of Zionist politicians condemned some isolated incidents among the widespread atrocities being perpetrated against the Palestinians. This, according to Pappe, was an attempt "by 'sensitive' Jewish politicians and soldiers to absolve their consciences," an "Israeli ethos that can best be described as 'shoot and cry.'"[2]
and some more analysis
Baking the cake
Steven Spielberg's Munich, writes Joseph Massad*, legitimises Israeli policy towards Palestinians while nodding away any moral qualmsMunich is a film in which Spielberg, Kushner and similar-minded diaspora supporters, and not Israeli Mossad agents, may recognise themselves. The moral questions that Munich poses have more to do with the souls of Israeli Jews. In that, the film does not deviate much from Zionist propaganda, which has always claimed that Jewish soldiers "shoot and cry". Golda Meir, who is depicted in the film as a righteous and lovable leader, once said, "We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours."
It is this racist sentiment that structures the story Munich wants to tell. The fact that Palestinian violence was in response to Zionist conquest and murder is immaterial to Spielberg's reasoning, as is the fact that many Palestinians are willing to forgive Israeli Jews for the continued theft of their lands and livelihoods, the continued oppression the Israelis visit upon all Palestinian communities in Palestine and the diaspora, and for the major role Israeli and diaspora Jews play in the Israeli and Western media in transforming Palestinians from victims of Israeli terror into perpetrators of it. Spielberg, an active participant in such media depictions, humanises Israeli terrorists in Munich but not Palestinian terrorists, who are portrayed as having no conscience. It seems that unlike their Israeli counterparts, Palestinians shoot but do not cry! We see the Israeli murderers laugh, cry, make love, cook, eat, kill, regret, question authority, but we also see them lose their souls. While Munich wonders whether the policy of terrorism that Golda Meir unleashed out of anguish at the murder of Israeli athletes might have been misguided, the film insists that it is the Palestinians who forced the choice of terror on Israel. Munich 's point of contention with Meir's policy rests on its claim that because Jews have a morally superior code Israel need not respond to the Palestinians in kind, a sentiment articulated by Robert, the explosives-expert.
So how does Waltz with Bashir fit into this tradition? well, pretty darn well...
'Antiwar' film Waltz with Bashir is nothing but charade
By Gideon Levy, HaaretzThe film is infuriating, disturbing, outrageous and deceptive. It deserves an Oscar for the illustrations and animation - but a badge of shame for its message. It was not by accident that when he won the Golden Globe, Folman didn't even mention the war in Gaza, which was raging as he accepted the prestigious award. The images coming out of Gaza that day looked remarkably like those in Folman's film. But he was silent. So before we sing Folman's praises, which will of course be praise for us all, we would do well to remember that this is not an antiwar film, nor even a critical work about Israel as militarist and occupier. It is an act of fraud and deceit, intended to allow us to pat ourselves on the back, to tell us and the world how lovely we are. And yes, a little against ourselves, too, for shutting our eyes, perhaps even showing encouragement. But no: That blood, that's not us. It's them, not us.
We have not yet made a movie about the other blood, which we have spilled and continue to allow to flow, from Jenin to Rafah - certainly not a movie that will get to the Oscars. And not by chance.And besides that, it wasn't us at all: How pleasant to see the cruelty of the other. The amputated limbs that the Phalange, may their name be obliterated, stuff into the formaldehyde bottles; the executions they perpetrate; the symbols they slash into the bodies of their victims. Look at them and look at us: We never do things like that.
Here's some more observations by As'ad;
Waltz with Bashir
If a Hamas writer were to shoot a film about his experience in Gaza would the Hollywood community welcome him with open arms, and would the liberal media shower him with praise? With or without the "anguish" of the Israel soldiers.The rest was your typical Zionist liberal trash about the "anguish" of the Israeli terrorist soldiers. But the director/soldier reveals the sensibility of the White Man soldiers of the colonial-settler state: he has only compassion for the dogs and horses that were killed or injured by Israeli soldiers during the invasion of Lebanon in 1982. And don't be fooled with the coverage of the massacre of Sabra and Shatila: it was only covered (and made into the title of the film) because it was perpetrated (literally in this case) by the Israeli-trained, Israeli-armed, Israeli-financed, Israeli formed, Lebanese Forces: the fascist militia of Lebanon. Of course, they want to focus on the massacres of Sabra and Shatila because they want to maintain a theoretical distance of responsibility. But the Israeli invasion of Lebanon killed 20,000 Lebanese and Palestinian civilians why not cover the rest of the victims. I guess it would not be possible to blame all that on the Phalanges, huh? As despicable and as criminal and as fascist-Nazi those Lebanese allies of Israel are.
I'd say that one rings true; and now for another in-depth review I'll sample a portion of;
Film review: "Waltz with Bashir" Naira Antoun,The Electronic Intifada, 19 February 2009
Waltz with Bashir, an animated documentary film charting the director's quest to recover his lost memories of the 1982 massacres at the Palestinian refugee camps Sabra and Shatila in Beirut, Lebanon, has been released to international acclaim. The film presents itself, and has largely been received, as a soul-searching and honest account of a journey to face up to guilt and responsibility. More than a quarter of a century after the atrocities in Sabra and Shatila, during which approximately 2,000 civilians were brutally murdered, we are witnessing a perverse moment: an apparently "anti-war" Israeli film wins several Israeli and international film awards in a context not only of Israel's ongoing brutal occupation, violations of international law, racism and denial of refugee rights, but also while fresh atrocities are committed by Israeli forces in Gaza.
To say that Palestinians are absent in Waltz with Bashir, to say that it is a film that deals not with Palestinians but with Israelis who served in Lebanon, only barely begins to describe the violence that this film commits against Palestinians. There is nothing interesting or new in the depiction of Palestinians -- they have no names, they don't speak, they are anonymous. But they are not simply faceless victims. Instead, the victims in the story that Waltz with Bashir tells are Israeli soldiers. Their anguish, their questioning, their confusion, their pain -- it is this that is intended to pull us. The rotoscope animation is beautifully done, the facial expressions so engaging, subtle and torn, we find ourselves grimacing and gasping at the trials and tribulations of the young Israeli soldiers and their older agonizing selves. We don't see Palestinian facial expressions; only a lingering on dead, anonymous faces. So while Palestinians are never fully human, Israelis are, and indeed are humanized through the course of the film.
In the final analysis, this is what Waltz with Bashir is about: the evasion of responsibility. It is not that the self-reflection offered by the film is only partial, and that we would simply be nay-sayers to be dissatisfied with it. Because there is no sense of what the Israeli role in Lebanon was, because it is about ethically and morally redeeming the filmmaker and his contemporaries -- and by extension the Israeli self, military and nation, the Israeli collective in other words -- because of all this, the film is an act not of limited self-reflection but self-justification. It is a striving towards working through qualms to restabilize the self as it is currently constituted; it does not ask challenging questions that would destabilize that self. And we are reminded of the psychologist's comment near the start of the film: "We don't go to places we don't want to. Memory takes us where we want to go." Perhaps this explains how at the same time that Gaza was being decimated, Israel heaped acclaim and awards on Waltz with Bashir; in addition to numerous international awards, the film scooped up six awards at the Israeli Film Academy. Indeed, the same Israelis who flocked to see the film gave their enthusiastic approval to Operation Cast Lead in Gaza. According to a poll released on 14 January by Tel Aviv University, a staggering 94 percent of Israeli Jews supported or strongly supported the operation.
They shoot, but they cry; obviously, 'we' are better then 'them,' right?
And to finish up, why is this relevant? Why should we, as progressives, care about this silly film and its lack of winning an Oscar? Well, its all bout responsibility and not evading it, like in Bashir. It's like MLK said over 30 years ago;
"I can never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in ghettos, without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today... my own government".
Yes, our government, and those governments we aid and abet in their crimes, and there have been many over the years; despotic regimes in Iran, Coloumbia, El Salvador, Congo, Vietnam... and you know who;
Suspend military aid to Israel, Amnesty urges Obama after detailing US weapons used in Gaza
Detailed evidence has emerged of Israel's extensive use of US-made weaponry during its war in Gaza last month, including white phosphorus artillery shells, 500lb bombs and Hellfire missiles. In a report released today, Amnesty International detailed the weapons used and called for an immediate arms embargo on Israel and all Palestinian armed groups. It called on the Obama administration to suspend military aid to Israel.
"As the major supplier of weapons to Israel, the USA has a particular obligation to stop any supply that contributes to gross violations of the laws of war and of human rights," said Malcolm Smart, Amnesty's Middle East and North Africa programme director. "To a large extent, Israel's military offensive in Gaza was carried out with weapons, munitions and military equipment supplied by the USA and paid for with US taxpayers' money."
Now I know there will be howls of disagreement, saying that both Israel and Palestinian armed resistance groups should be embargoed equally. Ideally, I'd like all arms to be gotten rid of, but this is one of the key ways in which this conflict is mythologized and distorted. We are not talking about two equal forces using the same equal amounts of arms causing the same equal killing and suffering on 'both sides.'
We who seek peace AND justice in Israel/Palestine must emphasize; Israel is a modern state with the best weaponry US taxpayer money can buy. It has been dispossessing and ethnically cleansing Palestinians for over 60 years, preventing refugees from returning home in defiance of International law, and it has been colonizing and occupying the occupied territories (Palestinian and Syrian) illegally for over 40 years. Palestinian armed acts against civilians are also illegal and must end, but while they are a stateless and occupied people, the impetus for change lies with the ones with the power, occupier and its imperial sponsor (us).
For their part, Palestinian militants in Gaza were arming themselves with "unsophisticated weapons" including rockets made in Russia, Iran and China and bought from "clandestine sources", it said. About 1,300 Palestinians were killed and more than 4,000 injured during the three-week conflict. On the Israeli side 13 were killed, including three civilians. Amnesty said Israel's armed forces carried out "direct attacks on civilians and civilian objects in Gaza, and attacks which were disproportionate or indiscriminate". The Israeli military declined to comment yesterday.
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Shitting and Defiling
Pots of urine, feces on the walls - how IDF troops vandalized Gaza homes
By Amira Hass
In the midst of all of this were plastic bottles of urine and many closed bags - in some houses, olive-colored ones - of excrement. People assumed that the commanders stayed there. There are houses where excrement was smeared on the walls, or where dry piles of it were found in corners. In many cases, the smells indicated that soldiers had urinated on piles of clothing or inside a washing machine. In all the houses the toilets were overflowing and clogged, and there was filth all around. When the Abu Eidas returned to house No. 5 in Jabalya, they discovered pots of urine and excrement in the refrigerator.
Don't believe it? See for yourself (jump to about 4:30 seconds into the video if you want);
Yes, it is quite common for Israeli occupation and invasion soldiers to shit in homes that have occupied; in Lebanon*, the West Bank, Gaza, the story is the same, dehumanization 101.
One of the more disconcerting observations to be made about The Antizionist Jew's postings on DailyKos is that his second diary, about how IDF soldiers smeared feces over Palestinian children's artwork in Gaza, received about half-a-dozen comments demanding that the diarist remove the word "shit" from the diary's title. Kossacks were offended by the word, and pointed out to the diarist that the rules by which civil discourse on DailyKos proceeds demand that such language be avoided, especially in titles. The act was not the problem; the violation of the sensibilities and of the rules of polite discourse was the problem. And THAT is the problem.
It's also a major strategy of Israel's unconditional defenders; another version of harassing the referee; an Hasbara tactic; a cheap, rhetorically dishonest way to shut down information that might just permit more readers to arrive at unpleasant truths.
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